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the entire case, special counsel robert mueller and the only reason they didn't go through with this is white house counsel don mcgahn refused to do so, disagreeing with the president's reasoning. today the president had this reaction when asked about the account, which took place in june of last year. >> mr. president, did you consider firing robert mueller? >> fake news. >> what's your story today? >> typical "new york times." fake news. >> thank you very much. fake news. >> so there went the president, dismissing the report. this is what his attorney, ty cobb, said. we decline to comment out of respect for office of the special counsel and its process. cnn chief white house correspondent jim acosta is live in davos, switzerland, where the president attended that economic forum. jim, i heard you were running
around, grabbing several of the president's top advisers, top aides, just to get their reaction to this huge story. what did they tell you? >> reporter: it's remarkable covering davos, brooke. you have this confluence of movers and shakers among the arab league gather for the record this forum and people milling around at this forum in davos were several cabinet secretaries, like rex tillerson, steve mnuchin, treasury secretary and so on. trying to ask them how this latest bombshell revelation, the president trying to fire the special counsel, how that was affecting the trip here and here is what cabinet
officials had to say. >> how do you think the mueller news is going to affect this trip, sir? >> i don't think it's going to change anything. the president is in very good spirits. >> are you concerned how this
mueller investigation is affecting the conference. is it putting a cloud over things, would you say? >> no. >> are you concerned that the president
tried to fire robert mueller? >> i know nothing about that. >> and, as you saw there, brooke, they really didn't have anything to say with respect to the actual content of the story, that the president apparently tried to fire the special counsel. they were essentially saying it was not going to have an impact on this economic forum. and you did hear the president express some of his frustrations in that speech in davos when he went off, again, on what he considers fake news. when he made that remark, brooke, even though he was warmly received from an economic standpoint, the movers and shakers here, the big wigs, they like all the talk of cutting taxes and deregulation but there was one moment during his speech where there was boos and hisses. it was pretty clear that people gathered with this forum were not pleased with the president's remarks. brooke? >> jim acosta in davos.
with me now kristin snell, who used to serve as the assistant attorney general for the state of new york, leading into prosecution in trump university, trump organization. tristan, nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> first, just on the news that trump wanted to have mueller fired as of last june, just given everything else we know as this massive mosaic that is the russia investigation, do you think this potentially -- does the case for obstruction get stronger because of it? >> that's really what it looks like there, obstruction is difficult with intent, as the issue there. that's really the key thing in any criminal case, is being able to prove intent. >> even though he wasn't successful -- >> it bears on his state of mind potentially. people have been talking about what the chronology will be and if that's going to be mueller's key thing to be able to prove, to be able to lay out the
chronology. making a case is all about laying out the chronology. it's especially true when you're trying to figure out something like intent. >> what about pattern? just make a list, trump's pattern of behavior, told comey and his staff to stop looking into flynn, what he told comey and the fact he fired comey and that he was angry sessions recused himself from the investigation and also that the president considering firing the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein. what does that pattern indicate anything to you? >> it's going to be an interesting case. i think they've got a lot here. now this is one more brick in the wall, so to speak, if you're trying to build out this puzzle and put as many different points in that timeline. you literally graph it out a lot of the time as an attorney. exactly when did this happen,
when did this, this, this? it's a chronology and it's about a pattern. >> isn't it a pattern of looking to undercut this investigation, do away with key people? >> that's what it looks like, obviously. it's beginning to get hard to ignore the implication, that they were clutching at stars, looking at anything they could to shut this down. we faced that in our case where, you know, trump and his team lashed out at the attorney general in new york here, eric schneiderman, my boss during that case, led the investigation. and they lashed out at us a ton, at eric, at the office. they lashed out at the staff. they didn't actually name anybody but they made a lot of noise about how things could be ton wrong, so on and so on. we faced this, too. it looks very, very familiar. they couldn't fire us. they had no control over us. they couldn't try to exert any pressure on us.
they tried to do so through the media but trump is actually using the leaders of power in washington, or trying to, to see what he could do to shut this down. >> what's your takeaway from all your experience, everything you just outlined, looking ahead to ultimately the negotiating, how this is going to go down, this conversation, this interview between mueller, his team and the president. what does that look like? take us behind closed doors, based upon your experience. >> i mean, for the attorneys representing him, he's basically the client from hell. he's not going to listen to anything you do. you're there. you're working. those guys are working hard. that team, they're working 14, 15-hour days or more. and they leave. they take their cab home to go and try to get a few hours sleep at 3:00 in the morning. at 6:00 a.m., the president is there tweeting again and undoes all the work they just did the day before and everything they were trying to plan, have it limited to written questions, so forth and so on, he undid a
bunch of that. now they're going to be scrambling again. who did the times talk to there? who actually coughed this up. >> right. >> you're basically -- your biggest problem when you're doing any case like that or representing any client is working with the client. at least you can try to pin the facts down, get the story straight. it's a moving target every day. you never know what the president is going to do. >> client from hell. a guest sitting in your chair yesterday said if i were the president's attorney, i would be bald is what he told me. thank you for coming in. for the legal perspective. now for the political perspective. keith boykin and democratic strategist, aide in the clinton white house and cnn political commentator ben ferguson, and cnn talk show host. gentlemen. >> afternoon. >> good afternoon. the president, you heard him in davos, fake news, fake news, so
he says. he has been denying this whole thing. remember, this is a man who, according to "the washington post" said up to 2,000 false or partially false things in the first year of his presidency. what do you make of this? >> look, i think that there's a real possibility that when you feel like a prosecutor is coming after you and your family for things that are outside the scope of the russia investigation and you're technically the person who can hire and fire him, you certainly would have a conversation about what in the world is this person doing? why are they doing this? can i fire him? should i fire him? ultimately, though, let's be clear. we don't know if this is totally accurate. we don't know -- what we do know is that the president did not fire him. there is a whole lot of stuff that's being said here from sources, and the fact is, he's still in charge of the investigation. so, for me, i'm not -- this is not that big of a deal because
the president did not fire him. when everybody was going to act as if he did fire him. he fired comey. but moving forward, he has played this, i think, in the appropriate manner, letting there be transparency. look at all the documents they've turned over. look at all the information they've turned over. look at all the people in the white house interviewed by the special counsel and prosecution here and this president didn't fire him. >> i'm going to let keith -- i know we can take issue with transparency and not being -- keith, is this that big of a deal? >> no, of course not. no big deal at all. >> go ahead. >> i love it. we agree. >> end scene. >> end the segment. we're done. >> right. >> bye-bye. >> i think what i just heard ben say was that if he were in donald trump's shoes, of course he would consider firing robert mueller. in other words, he thinks that donald trump is possibly lying when he said today it was fake news. thank you for agreeing with me
on that, too, ben. >> not what i'm saying. what i'm saying is -- >> just joking. >> all right. just making sure i was going to say -- >> i know you don't agree with me. at any point, this is a serious issue. donald trump knows it's a serious issue. he keeps trying to fire or pressure the people running this investigation. so far, we have the attorney general jeff sessions, who has been pressured. we know that the acting attorney general sally yates was fired and u.s. attorney was fired because of his ability to investigate trump. we know that the fbi director was fired and the new fbi director has been pressured to fire the deputy director and rod rosenstein has been pressured and now we know that robert mueller was under the possibility of being fired by the justice department. we have a whole series of different attempts. eight, by my account, of the president of the united states
attempting to obstruct justice in this investigation, fire people or pressure people directly responsible for investigating him. >> brooke, brooke? >> that is irresponsible, impeachable offense. >> that's absurd to say it's impeachable. i'm glad the democrats always go the extreme on everything. >> that's not the conversation we're having. >> it doesn't mean that you can impeach him. let's be clear about why the president is irritated by this investigation. first off, let's look at the facts we do know. people were investigating donald trump that clearly had hated donald trump from their own text messages. we also know -- >> let's not even -- come on. the #conspiracy theory continues. >> brooke, the text messages clearly show from these two fbi people that were involved, in their own words, that they had malice and disdain for donald trump. >> and it was taken care of. move on. >> they still work at the fbi. my point is -- >> you what else have you got,
ben? what else have you got? >> listen, the president clearly has the right to ask tough questions and to put pressure on people for answers when he feels like the scope of the investigation is far outside of collusion. >> you don't ask somebody who they voted for when you're about to hire them for an investigative role at the fbi. it's just irresponsible and inappropriate and that's obstruction of justice. >> let me move on to those in the trump orbit, kellyanne conway,a sanders and even the president himself on the topic at hand. here they are. >> while the president has the right to, he has no intention to do so. >> the president has not even discussed that. the president is not discussing firing bob mueller. >> will he commit not to fire him? >> he has been cooperating with -- he's not even discussed not firing -- he's not discussed firing bob mueller. >> i've not given it any thought.
i've been reading it from you people, i'm going to dismiss im him. i'm not considering dismissing anybody. >> is there any chance at all that the president will try to fire robert mueller? >> no. you know, i saw a couple people talking about that this morning. the answer to that is no. >> can you tell me if you're considering firing robert mueller? >> no, i'm not. >> keith, i'm going to let you close this out. the obvious question to folks is, was that willful deception or did they just not know the truth, what the president tried to do? >> it's hard to tell with this administration because i think people often do go out and misrepresent the truth, as we saw from day one with sean spicer talked about the inauguration size. i don't know whether they're misrepresenting the facts or didn't know the facts. one thing we do know is that don mcgahn, white house counsel, has not denied the story from the "new york times." >> you are correct. conspicuous silence today. >> that seems to suggest that there is something to that story
or else he would have flatly denied it and the white house would have as well. >> brooke, one consistency here. everyone around the president says he was not going to fire him, and he has not fired him. why is this a big story when this person is still employed and still doing his job? >> only because don mcgahn talked him out of it. >> i think the president realized he couldn't fire him, needed to keep him in his position even if he was going outside the scope of collusion. >> this is the man leading the investigation as to whether or not the president was trying to fire him matters. keith boykin, ben ferguson, thank you. other breaking news. hillary clinton accused of protecting a campaign staffer accused of sexual harassment. what her spokesperson is saying about the shocking report. also nichlt kki haley is responding to these rumors that she had an affair with president trump. what she has to say about that
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we're back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. president trump has an immigration plan, a plan that is being shunned by both the left and the right. the plan includes the path to citizenship for 1.8 million young, undocumented immigrants, including the so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers. some hardline conservatives see this as amnesty and democrats are upset about what the administration would get in return, including money for border wall and cuts to legal immigration. this means an end to family-based immigration and the
visa lottery that would shift elsewhere. with me, executive director of the center for immigration studies. mark, nice to have you on. thank you, sir. >> thanks for having me. >> when it comes to the immigration framework the white house has put forth, you are said i am starting to think not only did the president not write the art of the deal, i'm thinking he didn't even read the book. tell me what you mean. >> if this was supposed to be the opening gambit of a negotiation, he has conceded significant amounts of ground to the other side, the most notable thing is the number of people that would be covered by this amnesty. i'm actually in favor -- i'm positively in favor of amnestying the people who have daca work permits. but that's about 700,000 people, maybe a little more if you include the ones that didn't renew and let them lapse. but it's a fixed population. we know how many they are. these are people who came
forward, gave us their personal information. it makes sense. what the president's outline would do is talking about amnestying up to 1.8 million people, more than twice as many. >> correct. >> including people who could have applied for this daca program, which was illegal -- but that's a separate question. these people did it in good faith. these other people could have applied but chose not to. >> so, you're saying, just so i'm clear on your position, you're saying the 700,000 or so people who came out of the shadows, who said to the u.s. government, i am here, and bgav them their information, they should be able to be protected but the remainder -- i think the phrase you used was they should not be granted the same extraordinary act of mercy. >> right, of course. that's what we're talking. this is amnesty. just admit. it let's not play word games. but what it is is, like any
other amnesty, you're giving people -- basically you're giving them a break. it's an act of mercy. people who came forward, gave their information and in good faith got work permits, lawful jobs, were hired lawfully -- i'm not saying they have a legal obligation to it, but it's a prudent measure. >> of course. let me just jump in. democrats would say that given the climate, a lot of those young people at the time didn't feel safe to come out of the shadows and also just to add to that, even the president said -- this is when he was -- he said the white house had consulted with a number of republicans to, you know, put this whole framework together. this is what he told cnbc. roll it. >> cotton, purdue, goodlatte, cornyn, these are great people. these are people that really have shifted a lot. they've really shifted a lot. i think they're willing to shift more and so am i.
>> so, to add to that, mark, you have senator tom cotton, republican, among the immigration hawks in the party saying the plan is generous and human while also being responsible. i understand you don't feel responsible with the 1.8 million. don't you have to be flexible, both sides, to make a deal? >> sure but you don't get flexible before you start the negotiations. in a sense this is like going in to buy a used car from chuck schumer and, you know, showing him your entire wad of money and saying, take my money. it's bad negotiating. >> what about the funding -- >> the president should have done -- >> what about the funding? democrats are irked at the notion of, a, funding this border wall and, two, this $25 billion which, by the way, doesn't take that much to build the border wall. the president has himself said it and they're going to have to
shift as well. it's not just the republicans. >> yeah, if they're going to agree to this, it's true. honestly, i don't understand why the democrats, a year ago, didn't put forward money for the wall just in order to buy amnesty. i think the president would have leapt at the opportunity. they should have said however much money you want for the wall that's fine. we're democrats. we spend money like water anyway. you want more wall, give us more amnesty. they're only now willing to even start considering that. and, frankly, i think it's a little late. there is some good enforcement elements in this bill, no question about it. there's good legal immigration provisions but there are real problems if this is the actual starting negotiating point, it's a mistake. this is not the way you start making a deal. >> wanted to hear your perspective. mark krikorian, executive director at the center of immigration studies, thank you very much. supposed to hit the senate fl r
tension in the west wing as a flaer up once again has put a spotlight on the strained relationship between the president and his chief of staff. the president feels that general john kelly continues to undermine him, causing him to lash out. the president thinks kelly is undermining his authority and
doesn't respect him. kaitlyn colin is covering this for us in new york today. good to see you. we saw the pr jump into this impromptu q & a when it was supposed to be kelly on immigration. is that all pieces of this whole puzzle? >> reporter: yes. it's a signal of these flaer ups that are becoming more and more public. trump is this freewheeling off the cuff while john kelly is structured and brusque. they have very different manorisms. this flaer-up wednesday evening before the president got on a plane without john kelly to go to davos really shows the tension in the relationship. john kelly was briefing reporters and the president shows up, upends the whole thing, starts taking questions and steals the show away from john kelly and sources later describe that episode to us as a warning shot from the president. >> a warning shot? >> to john kelly to show him,
hey, i'm still the boss here. there have been speculation that john kelly is the one in charge. he's managing the president. and that is something that donald trump cannot stand. he feels more and more like his chief of staff is undermining him. he doesn't respect him. it's not just individual to john kelly. any tension that the president has always had with his chief of staff, as he often did when reince priebus was running the west wing. it's a movie we've seen before. we're seeing the tension between these two flare up. >> because we've seen flare ups before, not just with reince priebus, but think of all the people before. >> steve bannon, jeff sessions. >> sometimes they go the way of steve bannon but sometimes the way of jeff sessions. what is the future of john kelly? >> i don't think he's on the chopping block or going to be replaced tomorrow but i do think this is how it starts. it's a snowball effect. he pushes them and pushes them until they leave. that's what he did with reince
priebus, steve bannon, all these people. he keeps them around for some time before they're ultimately pushed out. i think he does realize that he needs john kelly in a sense that he has quieted the west wing some. but then he does these other things where he imposes these harsh restrictions on the president, which he doesn't like. it's not just who can come by the oval office, but his calls and all of that. the president starts spending more time in the residents than the west wing. he can be himself and in a personal sense feels restrict bid john kelly. >> kaitlan collins, thank you very much. breaking developments in not just one but two sexual harassment stories today. hillary clinton stepping in to save the job of a campaign staffer accused of sexual harassment and also the u.s.
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hillary clinton's 2008 presidential campaign raising eyebrows. clinton decided not fire a senior adviser who had been accused of sexual harassment. female campaign staffer accused his then faith adviser, berne strider, of inappropriate touching and sending her inappropriate e-mails. strider was sent to counseling while this younger accuser was reassigned. cnn obtained the statement from clinton's '08 campaign. when matters arose, they were reviewed in accordance with policies and appropriate action was taken. with me now, senior editor at the daily beast. cnn political commentators sarah
zetner and van jones. if this is all true and he was ultimately fired in a different situation some years later, why didn't she do more and what does she need to say about it now? >> if you ever needed proof that this is a bipartisan issue that it's not about republicans, democrats, it's not about hollywood industry, it's not about -- this is a bipartisan, ubiquitous problem, here you have it. it's interesting they pointed to their policies. that's part of the problem. turns out these policies have been inadequate for a very long time. you can't hide behind policies that worked for you ten years ago. that's exactly the whole point that the policies we've had not just in politics but throughout socie society. she's going to have to come out
and address it. >> it's a blow to a lot of people who thought hillary clinton was a stalwart to feminism and women's empowerment. she had a female campaign manager approached with this campaign worker, who was a faith adviser. >> faith adviser, read scripture every morning. >> what kind of faith was he promoting if he's a sexual harasser and was married at the time? brought this accusation, was pretty credible. they reassign the worker and keep him? that was at hillary clinton's behest. i think that's pretty hypocritical. if she continues to stay silent i think that's even more disappointing, i'm sure, for her supporters. i'm not a hillary supporter. i find the irony of this is not lost, considering the position she took on harvey weinstein, the me too movement and it happened in her own campaign and she personally allowed him to stay. yes, he got fired years later from correct the record for the exact same thing.
>> correct. as he was supporting her campaign there as well. >> sexual harassment. >> i want to talk to you about nikki haley. u.s. ambassador to the u.n. i see you shaking your head. i know. let me play this. she is speaking with politico's women rule podcast e lichlt ana johnson. here she is. >> it is absolutely not true. it is highly offensive. and it's disgusting. at every point in my life, i've notice noticed that if you speak your mind and you're strong about it and you say what you believe, there is a small percentage of people that resent that. and the way they deal with it is to try to throw arrows, lies or
not, to diminish you. >> the rumor isn't the story. it's the way in which the ambassador so boldly said boom, boom to the rumor to try to quash it. what did you make of how bold she was? >> this isn't the first time that nikki haley had to squash rumors of having an affair that were leveled against her and were unfair and sexist. she ultimately had to resign if those rumors proved true as governor of south carolina. they did not prove true. she came out swinging and i'm glad she d she's right. women are often targeted if they reach a certain level of power by the one thing that women are still affected by more than men in the most dramatic way, their sexuality, their sex, their gender. i'm glad she came out. to add to something van said earlier, sexism doesn't see ideology. conservative or liberal ideology doesn't inoculate you from having sexual accusations or being somebody that can stand up
and is tough and great against sexism. she did something great today. >> good for her. >> i totally agree. let me read more from her. a small percentage of people that recent that. the way they deal with it is to try to throw arrows, lies or not, to diminish you. to me, you have this successful, attractive woman. all of a sudden the criticism is she must have [ clicked tongue ] with the president to get to where she is. >> a lot of men in power. >> look what she did. >> what did she do? there's something so uniquely soul crushing about that for someone to assume you don't have talent enough on your own to make it. nikki haley obviously does. and i'm glad she attacked it. >> i like nikki haley. she has been a rising star and i was in south carolina at the primary when she was on stage
with marco rubio. it was he, tim scott and nikki h lachlt ey and i said that's the future of the republican party until donald trump beat marco rubio in the primary and crushed my dreams. here we are today. i'm glad to see -- i was skeptical of her appointment in that position, given she had no foreign policy experience but she's actually done a fantastic job. and i'm actually glad to see her in that position. she seems to be almost inoculated from the chaos going on in this administration and i wonder is it because she's come out with different positions than the president at times which we all know doesn't go over very well. with her, he seems to have laid off of her. i wonder if it's because he knows he has to be careful with his image with women so i don't think he wants to attack her. she's doing a great job. i'm proud of her. >> dude, it is 2018. what is going on? >> first of all, the idea that
the one person who is classing up the joint, classing up the entire trump administration by exponential points, you're going to go after her and say she doesn't have any class? this is where we are in this moment. people want to figure out some way to pull people down. in some ways that's part of the game. they go after women in a particular way. you must be using your looks, using your weird seductive wiles. listen, guys, the trump administration is luckier than they deserve to have her there. she's handling it with the kind of class you expect. >> incredible. thank you for being with me. great to have you on. we're going to talk about the big show tomorrow. i'm sorry, jay-z's my first guest. whatever. >> beyonce's husband.
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. our friend van jones has a brand new show. it is premiering tomorrow. he is kicking off his new program with one serious superstar of a guest, 21-time grammy award winner and cultural icon jay-z. so van has this exclusive interview happening tomorrow. score! so exciting. >>. ♪ so happy, so happy >> there are so many different directions you can go. >> you have to tune in, 7:00
tomorrow. it's a saturday. if you're going to go out with your boo, set your dvr. it going to be amazing. i love this man. his most recent album was so concessional. hip hop is usually bragadocious, accusing somebody, you ain't nobody, i'm the best. he's talking about his mom, talking about his marriage. he's been a philanthropist, talking about criminal justice. there's so much in this metoo moment, black lives moment, there's so much to talk about. i can't wait. >> we're going to set up a clip. you set up the clip on charlottesville. >> the show has two parts usually. we're going to talk to a big opinion leader, sometimes politics, sometimes entertainment and then we're going to go out in the country and talk to ordinary people and get ordinary people talking to each other. we have this thing we call van in a van. i went to charlottesville where those nazis matched and murdered
that woman. i got a van and picked up two conservatives and a liberal and we just drove and and talked. i think people are going to be surprised by how the conversation went. >> let's watch. here's a clip. >> how do you feel about what that sign says, heather heyer way? >> a mother's child is gone, a community member is gone. >> there were a number of people, including the president of the university, who said don't go downtown, stay away from downtown. >> somebody might mistake you as saying it was heather heyer's fault for coming down here. >> no, i don't think it was her fault. >> people of good sound mind felt the way to handle the situation was to pretend they weren't there and nothing was going to happen. >> you do have this incredible way of grabbing people from both
sides. and ultimately, you talk common ground. what was your takeaway from the conversation? >> you know, both of those people were born in charlottesville. we think about these cities, they're a sound bite, oh, the president handled this badly, let's move on. people are born there, they live there, they die there. these conflicts have generational roots and we got to that. and at the end, believe it or not, even though they didn't change their position, there was not just some tears, there was some laughter, too. >> we can't wait to watch. it premieres tomorrow at 7:00 here on cnn. set your dvrs, watch it happen. we're so excited for you. >> i appreciate the opportunity. >> tell your buddy jay-z if his wife ever wants to sit down for an interview with this girl, i'm down. >> that i will. coming up next, the fallout from the bombshell report that
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this morning students return to marshall county high school in kentucky for the first time since a 15-year-old classmate went on that shooting rampage but the two students killed, bailey and preston, both 15, will never get the chance to go back to class. their families are speaking out as they struggle to grapple with what and who they lost. >> even though she was 15, she had already decided her career was going to be a labor and
delivery nurse. and she helped others. she always did. she was just so kind hearted. and just the most amazing kid anybody could ever ask for. >> this boy here looked up to preston, his hero, his idol. there's four years difference between them. you'd think there was just a yearnd h under him. he hung with him and done everything. he looked up to him so much. he was such a good son. it's hard but this is what's getting us through with our faith in god and god is lifting us and giving us the strength because i know that he's in a better place than we are. and we will all see him again. we will see him again. >> gosh, obviously our hearts and thoughts go out to those
parents, their friends, their family, that entire community there in kentucky. both families will hold funerals this weekend. bailey's mom said her daughter called her as the attack was happening but all she could hear was chaos and screaming. prosecutors are trying to get the teen-age suspect tried as an adult. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" starts now. >> thanks, brooke. the president trying say, "you're fired." "the lead" starts now. the president on a collision course with special counsel robert mueller as soon as next week, perhaps his attempt to fire mueller reignites burning questions about possible obstruction of justice. is the white house immigration proposal already dead on arrival? it's no surprise democrats are ripping it apart but many clf